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    Little things like this are why I want to remake the videos after edge/NTTR is out.

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    During bomb deliveries and gun runs when you "aggressively correct any 3/9 errors", do you generally correct using the rudder and thereby accepting a slightly uncoordinated flight for the rest of the run, or do you always correct by banking until you have established the desired aim?

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    Bank and pull, stay off the rudders.

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    Good to know. Means I have to re-teach myself a bit because I did use the rudders but it will probably be easier after some training. Currently it feels like I'm constantly fighting forces which want to prevent me from hitting my target.
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    I find it helpful if I'm constantly trimmimg my aircraft while on the attack run. Helps to keep the retucle steady on the target along with PAC 1.

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    From what I've understood from Noodle in one of his posts the only trimming you could/should do is a few clicks nose down prior to roll-in. Apart from that you don't trim during the run itself as at that time you have other things to worry about.

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    Quick question(s), up to what height is a level delivery considered a VLD? A VLD allows for a maximum of 5 degrees nose dipping to visually acquire a target, is this straight and level flying + 5 degree dipping technique also allowed when doing a level LAT? Or would I then have to something like a 10/0 LAT?

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    There is no maximum altitude for a VLD release; the only real reason you'd be doing one is because climbing above fuze arming altitude or safe escape altitude will get you insta-killed. The purpose of a VLD is to be as low as allowable.

    Yes, a pull to level is perfectly valid for LAT/MAT deliveries.

    The differentiator between a VLD and a LAT is that VLD=CCIP while LAT=CCRP. That and LAT assumes you're not going die if you're higher than 200 feet AGL.

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    Since we don't have any official approved profiles for gun and rocket attacks in the group I'm trying to summarize the guidelines and restrictions in the opening post and the 3-3.A10.

    The LRS doesn't state a minimum recovery altitude and burst QTY, I'm assuming it's 75ft AGL and 100rds, same as the other events?

    The HATR has the same dive angle restrictions as the LATR, is this correct? Feels counter intuitive. I'm coming from a much higher altitude and have a much higher minimum recovery altitude. If my dive angle would be the limited to 20 degrees I'm looking at a much larger slant range than with LATR.

    The HARR only has one restriction: 10 000ft AGL minimum recovery altitude. Are there no other restrictions or are the restrictions the same as for the LATR/HATR?
    Last edited by Oliver; 06Feb18 at 21:15.

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    The LRS doesn't state a minimum recovery altitude and burst QTY, I'm assuming it's 75ft AGL and 100rds, same as the other events?
    Yes.

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    The HATR has the same dive angle restrictions as the LATR, is this correct? Feels counter intuitive. I'm coming from a much higher altitude and have a much higher minimum recovery altitude. If my dive angle would be the limited to 20 degrees I'm looking at a much larger slant range than with LATR.
    Yes. And yes, you have a greater slant range. That's what HATR gives you, more stand-off from the target.

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    The HARR only has one restriction: 10 000ft AGL minimum recovery altitude. Are there no other restrictions or are the restrictions the same as for the LATR/HATR?
    As always, the only restrictions are those stated.

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