It's about the data we run through DAPS. That is an internal tool to calculate weapon deliveries.
Da FAC?
It's about the data we run through DAPS. That is an internal tool to calculate weapon deliveries.
Providing CAS when you're all out of HUA!
Doesn't DAPS eventually generate a Z-sleds such as the ones in the BB? I know it's internal. What I gathered from the replies above is that I'd have to make settings in the 10C to have the BDU-33 accurately simulate an 82. I was under the assumption it does that by default..
Confirmed as well on my side, so it seems as this is a bug.
I do not have access to DAPS(to crank BUD-33), and not an expert for sure, but this is the way I do it: I train having a real ordnance under the wings so that I have the same aircraft performance as during the real delivery, then I create "TRAINING" profile with virtual load-out of 6/12 Mk-82, and another real one with exactly same settings. After a few "TRAINING" passes I do a real one and then again back to "TRAINING" and so on. This gives me an opportunity to train given delivery many times with changing aircraft performance as I have less and less bombs under the wings.
I suppose that 30DB or 20LD is great for start, as steeper the dive angle the harder it gets. If I remember correctly I read somewhere that most of the time you would perform ripples, not singles (for single point targets at least) and again I am not sure what is the reason in doing so but one of them could be that If you set spacing correctly and make delivery mistake small enough then there is higher probability that one of the bombs will still hit the target.
Yeah - the more you know the more questions there is! Great part of this is that we have guys here who read all of it and gladly share their knowledge with us
OK I get it. Is there a fixed ratio/relation or at least a ROT between the values for the BDU-33 and 82? If so, I could take the 33 45HADB from the Hawgsmoke SOP, compare it to the 82 45HADB from the BB, and then roughly reverse engineer the BB sleds to match 33s. I know it's not really necessary but for the sake of immersion I'd like to do training runs with training munitions instead of actual 82s.
Last edited by JayPee; 09Jan15 at 10:45.
Da FAC?
No, it's not that easy.
But if it's really for the sake of going with training munitions, you still have the BDU-50's.
Providing CAS when you're all out of HUA!
True but if you're going for realism we carry BDUS-33s for training most of the time.Originally Posted by Stuka
Added. Reading through the -34 this information should be recorded anytime the switch is set to ARM or TRAIN.
I'm putting together a guide that'll hopefully help people understand the data.
Last edited by Snoopy; 09Jan15 at 14:27.
Very briefly, the process of cranking the BDU-33 numbers looks like this:
Calculate the numbers for the weapon you're simulating - a MK-82 in this case - covering the abort window parameters described earlier in the thread. So run the numbers for a series of conditions ranging from 5 degrees steep and 25 knots fast, to 5 degrees shallow and 25 knots slow. Note the highest calculated MK-82 DTOF and the associated MRA.
Run the numbers for an ideal BDU-33 delivery, but override the release altitude to equal the MRA determined above. Note the BDU-33 DTOF. This will be entered into the DSMS as the MTOF in order to generate the correct RTSE abort cues.
Run the BDU-33 numbers again, but this time don't override the release altitude. With the exception of the abort data, the rest of the numbers should be used for the actual delivery.
So as you can see, what we're correcting for is that the BDU-33 has no warhead, and thus no frag or fuzing requirements to drive MRA. The result is that MRA for a BDU-33 is always driven by dive recovery, and is usually lower than the MRA for a live MK-82 given the same delivery parameters. This results in dropping BDU-33s from lower altitude, resulting in a sight picture that differs from what would be seen in combat.
Cranking the numbers to simulate MK-82 MRA provides more realistic training and a positive transfer of learning.
Last edited by Noodle; 09Jan15 at 15:00.
DAPS only includes entries for specific dive angles and if I try to enter something outside of these, such as 35 instead of 30 on a DB, it spits an error at me.
Correct. Including the data for all dive angles is not worth the reward, considering that it would only serve this one purpose. The plan had always been to include pre-cranked numbers for the BDU-33, and that was supposed to happen when I moved DAPS into AWE. However, since ED decided not to help us with that, and my life got a little more complicated, I just haven't had the time or inclination to do it. Sorry about that.
But it would be easy enough for me to publish cranked sleds for the most popular deliveries. I'd be fine with that.
Quick question, what's AWE?