I agree Eddie. I hope I did not come off that way; I don't claim to be an expert on that. Armchair experts annoy me as well. My basis for the Hawg is based on its statistics and role, not how it is exactly employed because as you stated, that's not really available information. The F-35 very likely has its place; we don't know. My problem lies where people want to get rid of a good platform for what conflicts we are in, that has a low operating cost, without offering sufficient reasons why and going so far as to suppress a very good documentary about it for political reasons (Hawg/Grunts In The Sky).